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Technical Rationale for Reliability Standards

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Start Date: 11/04/2019
End Date: 12/18/2019

Associated Ballots:

Ballot Name Project Standard Pool Open Pool Close Voting Start Voting End
Technical Rationale for Reliability Standards IRO-001-4 Non-Binding Poll IN 1 NB Technical Rationale for Reliability Standards IRO-001-4 Non-Binding Poll 11/04/2019 12/03/2019 12/09/2019 12/18/2019
Technical Rationale for Reliability Standards IRO-002-6 Non-Biniding Poll IN 1 NB Technical Rationale for Reliability Standards IRO-002-6 Non-Biniding Poll 11/04/2019 12/03/2019 12/09/2019 12/18/2019
Technical Rationale for Reliability Standards IRO-006-EAST-2 Non-Binding Poll IN 1 NB Technical Rationale for Reliability Standards IRO-006-EAST-2 Non-Binding Poll 11/04/2019 12/03/2019 12/09/2019 12/18/2019
Technical Rationale for Reliability Standards IRO-008-2 Non-Binding Poll IN 1 NB Technical Rationale for Reliability Standards IRO-008-2 Non-Binding Poll 11/04/2019 12/03/2019 12/09/2019 12/18/2019
Technical Rationale for Reliability Standards IRO-009-2 Non-Binding Poll IN 1 NB Technical Rationale for Reliability Standards IRO-009-2 Non-Binding Poll 11/04/2019 12/03/2019 12/09/2019 12/18/2019
Technical Rationale for Reliability Standards IRO-010-2 Non-Binding Poll IN 1 NB Technical Rationale for Reliability Standards IRO-010-2 Non-Binding Poll 11/04/2019 12/03/2019 12/09/2019 12/18/2019
Technical Rationale for Reliability Standards IRO-014-3 Non-Binding Poll IN 1 NB Technical Rationale for Reliability Standards IRO-014-3 Non-Binding Poll 11/04/2019 12/03/2019 12/09/2019 12/18/2019
Technical Rationale for Reliability Standards IRO-017-1 Non-Binding Poll IN 1 NB Technical Rationale for Reliability Standards IRO-017-1 Non-Binding Poll 11/04/2019 12/03/2019 12/09/2019 12/18/2019
Technical Rationale for Reliability Standards IRO-018-1(i) Non-Binding Poll IN 1 NB Technical Rationale for Reliability Standards IRO-018-1(i) Non-Binding Poll 11/04/2019 12/03/2019 12/09/2019 12/18/2019

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I don’t think this is necessary.  It as inefficient for NERC and us.  This would make four documents per Standard: The Standard itself, Implementation Plan, Technical Rational, and Reliability Standard Audit Worksheet (RSAW).  It is not efficient to have to look through four separate documents for one standard.   Regardless, changes are not needed immediately.  If changes are needed, they should be done during the standards 5-year review. 

Why are we even doing this? Some auditors audit to the standard, not the Guidance and Technical Basis (GBT).  NERC/FERC need to require auditor's to consider GTB, else this is a pointless endeavor. 

What is the Point of a Standards’ GTB section, or the Applicability section, if Auditors don’t consider them during an Audit?  

It appears that FERC Auditors in their CIP-002 2017 Audit Lessons Learned document (section 3 page 10) did not consider the GTB and Applicable sections, nor NERC Glossary of Terms.  

FERC claims CIP-002-5.1a IRC 2.11 is applicable to non-BES generation.  The standard applicability section, attachment 1, and the GTB are all part of the Standard; and indicate it is applicable to BES Facilities; there is no mention of non-BES.  If something is omitted from the applicability section it means the standard does not apply.  If attachment 1 (which contains the IRCs) is part of the standard than the GTB is too.  The applicability section of the standard applies to the entire standard including its attachments.

BES reliability operating services (BROS) are BES operating services.  GOP's do not have GOP functional objections to non-BES generation; only to BES Generation Facilities (see NERC Glossary of Terms) for which they Own and Operator, or have other agreement/CFR NERC obligations. 

Why does/has WECC, NERC, and FERC discussed CIP BES reliability operating services (BROS), but ignored other parts of the GTB?  The entire BROS concept and discussion is in the CIP-002 GTB (which is part of the standard) and in other NERC/WECC documents that are not part of the standard.  If the GTB is to be ignored so should BROS which is in the GTB and non-CIP standard documents. 

Industry never had an opportunity to vote/ballot on the aforementioned FERC CIP-002 IRC 2.11 interpretation.  FERC should have sent this to the CIP drafting team for proper interpretation.  Why does industry have to submit a formal request for interpretation but FERC does not?  Industry voted on CIP-002-5 with the understanding it was applicable to BES only, which is what the drafting team, at the time, advertised.

 

 

Marty Hostler, Northern California Power Agency, 5, 12/18/2019

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LDWP does not agree with this recommendation for two reasons. First, as these changes would be limited to a subset of the Standards, it would create a consistency issue across the Standards. Second, it would add to the number of separate documents to track for each Standard, such as the Implementation Plan.

Glenn Barry, Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, 5, 12/18/2019

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Other Answers

  1. I don’t think this is necessary and see it as a waste of time for NERC and us.  In the future we will have four documents per Standard: The Standard itself, Implementation Plan, Technical Rational, and Reliability Standard Audit Worksheet (RSAW).  It is not efficient to have to look through four separate documents for one standard. At a minimum, wait until 5-year review. 

Additionally, NERC/FERC needs to decide if Technical Rational shall be used by the Auditor.  Some auditors claim they audit to the standard not the GBT. 

Additionally, what is the Point of the Standards Sections, namely: Applicability and GBT?  For instance, FERC in their 2017 Audit Lessons Learned document ignored the CIP-002 Applicability and GBT Sections.  CIP-002 is a BES only Applicable standard and says so in numerous places in the document and even mentions everything in attachments are applicable to BES Facilities (not non-BES).

I have not seen a FERC explanation as to why non-BES Generation is to be included in IRC 2.11 net real power capability.  Where does the standard say non-BES generation is to be included?  To date I have not seen a FERC document justifying why the Applicability and GBT sections were ignored nor justifying the reasoning for the Audit lessons learned document.  How do you provide a BES Reliability Operating Service to a non-BES Facility?  Why would you?   it is not necessary!

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Dennis Sismaet, Northern California Power Agency, 6, 11/5/2019

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We see no value in the GTB section, and are not sure how a separate Technical Rationale document would be used during enforcement.  The GTB seems relevant only when the intial standard is up for approval.

Kevin Conway, Public Utility District No. 1 of Pend Oreille County, 1, 11/12/2019

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Laura Nelson, IDACORP - Idaho Power Company, 1, 11/25/2019

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Tri-State prefers the Guidance and Technical Basis (GTB) continue to be included in the same process as standards development. Specifically, we would like to see the GTB continue to be developed at the same time as the standard, and posted for comment at the same time as the standard. Without these documents combined, what assurance does industry have that they will be developed in tandem and posted for industry comment in tandem? The primary reason is to allow entities to comment on the GTB during the drafting of the standard. For example, the Virtualization project has extensive Technical Rationale which Tri-State has used as a basis for understanding the changes and for making comments on the standards under development.

Kjersti Drott, On Behalf of: Tri-State G and T Association, Inc., , Segments 1, 3, 5

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LaTroy Brumfield, On Behalf of: American Transmission Company, LLC, , Segments 1

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None

Aaron Cavanaugh, On Behalf of: Bonneville Power Administration, WECC, Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

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The GTB sections within the Standards provide background information and context for the Requirements and Measures, often helping interpret what is found in the Standards. Removal of this section results in less structure with interpretation of the Standards. ISO-NE would prefer that the GTB section remain in the Standard but if the GTB section is to be ultimately transitioned to a separate Technical Rationale document, it is requested that hyperlink references be provided within the Standard and the applicable Technical Rationale documents in order to maintain continuity

Michael Courchesne, On Behalf of: Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2

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Reclamation recommends the GTB sections be contained in the same document as the standard. All documentation and guidance pertaining to each standard should be contained in the same document as the standard to facilitate ease of reference.

Richard Jackson, U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, 1, 12/6/2019

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Carl Pineault, Hydro-Qu?bec Production, 5, 12/9/2019

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BHE believes, in the interest of simplicity, leave the GTB attached with the NERC Standard as a point of reference when trying to understand the applicability and rationale behind some of the requirements.  GTB section stays with the Standard so that if any white paper is produced the edits stay with the Standard. This way we do not have to look in a different location for any edits that are pertinent to Standard. “One stop shopping.”

Maryanne Darling-Reich, On Behalf of: Black Hills Corporation - MRO, WECC - Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

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Westar Energy and Kansas City Power & Light support Edison Electric Institute’s response.

Westar-KCPL, Segment(s) 1, 3, 5, 6, 12/18/2018

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Thomas Breene, On Behalf of: WEC Energy Group, Inc., , Segments 3, 4, 5, 6

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Jamie Monette, On Behalf of: Allete - Minnesota Power, Inc., , Segments 1

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RSC, Segment(s) 10, 2, 4, 5, 7, 3, 1, 0, 6, 12/12/2019

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We prefer to have the technical rationale retained with the standard. Our operators refer to it for help to explain the meaning and intent of the current standard. Keeping the related information with the standard saves additional searching for the information.

Jeanne Kurzynowski, On Behalf of: CMS Energy - Consumers Energy Company - RF - Segments 1, 3, 4, 5

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General comment - The Background Information section of the comment form starts with “The current Reliability Standards template includes a Supplemental Materials (GTB and or Technical Rationale) section….”.  Is the ERO’s current Reliability Standards template available to industry, and if so where is it posted?  What internal controls does NERC have in place to maintain version control of the ERO’s Reliability Standards template?  Does NERC consider multiple formats for its active Reliability Standards a best practice?  If not, what is NERC’s timeline for achieving a consistent format for all active Reliability Standards (including the Regional ones)?

Presently, some of NERC’s active Reliability Standards contain supplemental information (such as a “Guidelines and Technical Basis” section) and others do not.  In the case of these IRO standards, it appears that all of the information being proposed for removal from each standard is available in the development history of the respective standard (in the form of text box notations in final draft standards).  Instead of creating new and separate “Technical Rationale” documents, we suggest that the version history tables simply point back to the project that generated these notations.  For example, for IRO-001-4, the version history “action” could read: “The ‘Guidelines and Technical Basis’ section of the standard was removed.  The information removed is available in the final draft version of IRO-001-4 (Project 2014-03).  Because no changes were made to the mandatory and enforceable elements of the standard, the version number remains unchanged.”

Dennis Chastain, On Behalf of: Tennessee Valley Authority - SERC - Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

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Rationale for Applicability Section and Rationale for Requirements R2 and R3 are no longer necessary and should be removed from the Standard instead of transferring to a Technical Rationale document.  Rationale for Change from Reliability Directive to Operating Instruction is also no longer necessary and should be removed from the Standard since Operating Instruction is now a defined term in the NERC Glossary.   

 

OKGE, Segment(s) 6, 1, 3, 5, 4/10/2019

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Duke Energy does not have comments.

 

VACAR South comments follow:

VACAR South (VACS) reluctantly agrees with the recommendation to transition the GTB section of the identified standards in this posting to a separate Technical Rationale document, but has some comments for the Guidelines and Technical Basis (GTB) Review Team to consider.  The comments in this response apply to each of the standards included in this posting.

a)      VACS considers the removal of the GTB an ‘Errata’ change and the version number should be changed for each standard.  VACS understands the reason why the GTB Review Team went with this approach as stated in the Version History, “Because no changes were made to the mandatory and enforceable elements of the standard, the version number remains unchanged.”

However, a section of each standard is being removed, thus it is being changed and should reflect that in the version number.

i.      The Rules of Procedure (ROP), section 4.4.2, mentions a drafting team may develop reference documents designed to provide the team’s technical rationale and when standard was developed this section was likely part of the informal and/or formal comment period.

ii.      The Compliance Guidance Policy states that the “Guidelines and Technical Basis” section is part of the Reliability Standards in the ‘Background’ section of the Policy document.

iii.      According to the “NERC Standards Numbering System” document, an Errata change seems to be the most appropriate.  This would be a period followed by a number to the right of the version number indicating an errata change e.g., IRO-001-4.1.

b)      Noticed in some of the new (separate) Technical Rationale documents that some of the language from the GTB section in the standards (not all standards) was excluded.  Since the GTB/Technical Rationale section is being removed from the standard, all of the language should be transitioned to the new (separate) Technical Rationale document.

c)      Since the GTB/Technical Rationale section is being removed from the standard and placed in a separate document, VACS recommends the GTB Review Team consider adding a statement to the new (separate) Technical Rationale document anytime there is Compliance Guidance/ERO Enterprise-Endorsed Implementation Guidance available.  For example IRO-002-6, the “CMEP Practice Guide TOP-001-4 and IRO-002-5 Redundant and Diversely Routed” is already available and the Proposed Implementation Guidance, “TOP-001-4 and IRO-002-5 Data Exchange Infrastructure and Testing (OC)” should soon be endorsed by the ERO.

i.      The GTB section of the standards is useful.  If removed and transitioned to the separate document, we recommend the new document include everything referencing the standard to make the document a ‘One-Stop Shop’ for the industry to reference to find additional information on the standard.

d)      VACS recommends the GTB Review Team modify the Version History for each standard to ‘Guidelines’ instead of ‘Guidance’.  It should state “The Guidelines and Technical Basis (including the Technical Rationale) section of the standard was removed and placed into a separate document.”

e)      What internal control will the ERO have in place to ensure the proposed separate Technical Rationale document is kept updated when there are changes to a standard?

 

 

Duke Energy, Segment(s) 1, 5, 6, 4/11/2019

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On behalf of Exelon, Segments: 1, 3, 5, 6

Exelon supports the removal of the GTB from IRO-001-4.

As suggested by EEI, Exelon also recommends adding the following information to the Technical Rationale being developed: 

  • Project Number under which the Technical Rationale was developed
  • Date the Technical Rational was originally developed
  • Hyperlink to the Project Page
  • Date the Reliability Standard was approved
  • Hyperlink to the Standard

Daniel Gacek, Exelon, 1, 12/18/2019

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Constantin Chitescu, Ontario Power Generation Inc., 5, 12/18/2019

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EEI supports the removal of the GTB from IRO-001-4. EEI also recommends adding the following information to the Technical Rationale being developed: 

  • Project Number under which the Technical Rationale was developed
  • Date the Technical Rational was originally developed
  • Hyperlink to the Project Page
  • Date the Reliability Standard was approved
  • Hyperlink to the Standard

Mark Gray, On Behalf of: Edison Electric Institute, NA - Not Applicable, Segments NA - Not Applicable

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In many instances, including IRO-001-4,there is a justification for applicability of a requirement that is in response to a FERC directive that is in effect a clarification of the requirement useful for a Standards Interpretation.

“We believe that directives from a reliability coordinator or transmission operator should be mandatory at all times, and not just during emergencies (unless contrary to safety, equipment, regulatory or statutory requirements). For example, mandatory compliance with directives in non-emergency situations is important when a decision is made to alter or maintain the state of an element on the interconnected transmission network…”

In support of the effort to remove such rationales from the body of the standard, we do not disagree with removing this reference– but there should be consideration whether the actual words of the requirement should be changed to reflect the FERC intent.

Recommend the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NOPR) docket number be provided to further clarify the phrase “to respond to issues raised in NOPR paragraphs 55, 73, and 74.”

To ensure that a reader of the standard is aware there are related notes in a separate document, hyperlinks in the standard linking to the Technical Rationale would be useful.

 

 

SRC 2020, Segment(s) 2, 1, 3, 12/18/2019

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LDWP does not agree with this recommendation for two reasons. First, as these changes would be limited to a subset of the Standards, it would create a consistency issue across the Standards. Second, it would add to the number of separate documents to track for each Standard, such as the Implementation Plan.

faranak sarbaz, Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, 1, 12/18/2019

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While Texas RE does not necessarily disagree with the approach to moving Guidelines and Technical Basis with no implementation guidance to Technical Rationale, Texas RE does note some inconsistencies found throughout this transition. Texas RE recommends the Technical Rationale team be consistent in moving the content from one place to another.

 

Texas RE is also concerned about finding this information after it is removed from the standard if there is no indication that there is another document for reference.

Rachel Coyne, Texas Reliability Entity, Inc., 10, 12/18/2019

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CAISO agrees with comments submitted by the ISO/RTO Counsel (IRC) Standards Review Committee.

Jamie Johnson, California ISO, 2, 12/18/2019

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Hot Answers

NO. See response to Question 1.

Marty Hostler, Northern California Power Agency, 5, 12/18/2019

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Glenn Barry, Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, 5, 12/18/2019

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Other Answers

2-7 See Response to Question 1.

Dennis Sismaet, Northern California Power Agency, 6, 11/5/2019

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We see no value in the GTB section, and are not sure how a separate Technical Rationale document would be used during enforcement.  The GTB seems relevant only when the intial standard is up for approval.

Kevin Conway, Public Utility District No. 1 of Pend Oreille County, 1, 11/12/2019

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Laura Nelson, IDACORP - Idaho Power Company, 1, 11/25/2019

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Tri-State prefers the Guidance and Technical Basis (GTB) continue to be included in the same process as standards development. Specifically, we would like to see the GTB continue to be developed at the same time as the standard, and posted for comment at the same time as the standard. Without these documents combined, what assurance does industry have that they will be developed in tandem and posted for industry comment in tandem? The primary reason is to allow entities to comment on the GTB during the drafting of the standard. For example, the Virtualization project has extensive Technical Rationale which Tri-State has used as a basis for understanding the changes and for making comments on the standards under development.

Kjersti Drott, On Behalf of: Tri-State G and T Association, Inc., , Segments 1, 3, 5

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LaTroy Brumfield, On Behalf of: American Transmission Company, LLC, , Segments 1

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None

Aaron Cavanaugh, On Behalf of: Bonneville Power Administration, WECC, Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

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The GTB sections within the Standards provide background information and context for the Requirements and Measures, often helping interpret what is found in the Standards. Removal of this section results in less structure with interpretation of the Standards. ISO-NE would prefer that the GTB section remain in the Standard but if the GTB section is to be ultimately transitioned to a separate Technical Rationale document, it is requested that hyperlink references be provided within the Standard and the applicable Technical Rationale documents in order to maintain continuity

Michael Courchesne, On Behalf of: Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2

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Reclamation recommends the GTB sections be contained in the same document as the standard. All documentation and guidance pertaining to each standard should be contained in the same document as the standard to facilitate ease of reference.

Richard Jackson, U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, 1, 12/6/2019

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N/A

Carl Pineault, Hydro-Qu?bec Production, 5, 12/9/2019

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BHE believes, in the interest of simplicity, leave the GTB attached with the NERC Standard as a point of reference when trying to understand the applicability and rationale behind some of the requirements.  GTB section stays with the Standard so that if any white paper is produced the edits stay with the Standard. This way we do not have to look in a different location for any edits that are pertinent to Standard. “One stop shopping.”

Maryanne Darling-Reich, On Behalf of: Black Hills Corporation - MRO, WECC - Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

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Westar Energy and Kansas City Power & Light support Edison Electric Institute’s response.

Westar-KCPL, Segment(s) 1, 3, 5, 6, 12/18/2018

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Thomas Breene, On Behalf of: WEC Energy Group, Inc., , Segments 3, 4, 5, 6

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Jamie Monette, On Behalf of: Allete - Minnesota Power, Inc., , Segments 1

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RSC, Segment(s) 10, 2, 4, 5, 7, 3, 1, 0, 6, 12/12/2019

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We prefer to have the technical rationale retained with the standard. Our operators refer to it for help to explain the meaning and intent of the current standard. Keeping the related information with the standard saves additional searching for the information.

Jeanne Kurzynowski, On Behalf of: CMS Energy - Consumers Energy Company - RF - Segments 1, 3, 4, 5

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Instead of creating a new and separate “Technical Rationale” document, we suggest that the version history table simply point back to the project that generated these notations.  For IRO-002-6, the version history “action” could read: “The ‘Supplemental Material / Rationale’ section of the standard was removed.  The information removed is available in the final draft version of IRO-002-4 (Project 2014-03).  Because no changes were made to the mandatory and enforceable elements of the standard, the version number remains unchanged.”

Dennis Chastain, On Behalf of: Tennessee Valley Authority - SERC - Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

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OKGE, Segment(s) 6, 1, 3, 5, 4/10/2019

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Duke Energy does not have comments.

 

VACAR South comments follow:

a)      Refer to comments in question #1.

b)      Additionally, VACS requests the GTB Review Team to include references to the Compliance Guidance documents or other references, to the new (separate) Technical Rationale document as recommended in the comments (c. and c.i.) as listed in question #1.  For IRO-002-6 that is effective on 1/1/2020, the two documents listed below are applicable.

    i.      CMEP Practice Guide TOP-001-4 and IRO-002-5 Redundant and Diversely Routed

    ii.      TOP-001-4 and IRO-002-5 Data Exchange Infrastructure and Testing (OC).

Duke Energy, Segment(s) 1, 5, 6, 4/11/2019

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On behalf of Exelon, Segments: 1, 3, 5, 6

Exelon supports the removal of the GTB from IRO-002-6. 

As suggested by EEI, Exelon also recommends adding the following information to the Technical Rationale being developed: 

  • Project Number under which the Technical Rationale was developed
  • Date the Technical Rational was originally developed
  • Hyperlink to the Project Page
  • Date the Reliability Standard was approved
  • Hyperlink to the Standard

Daniel Gacek, Exelon, 1, 12/18/2019

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Constantin Chitescu, Ontario Power Generation Inc., 5, 12/18/2019

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EEI supports the removal of the GTB from IRO-002-6. EEI also recommends adding the following information to the Technical Rationale being developed:  

  • Project Number under which the Technical Rationale was developed
  • Date the Technical Rational was originally developed
  • Hyperlink to the Project Page
  • Date the Reliability Standard was approved
  • Hyperlink to the Standard

Mark Gray, On Behalf of: Edison Electric Institute, NA - Not Applicable, Segments NA - Not Applicable

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As was stated in the preceding comment for IRO-001-4, in the instance of IRO-002-6, the standard was updated to reflect the intent of a FERC Directive. Consider revising the requirements of IRO-001-4 to clarify intent of the directive.

 Requirement R2 from IRO-002-3 has been deleted because approved EOP-008-1, Requirement R1, part 1.6.2 addresses redundancy and back-up concerns for outages of analysis tools. New Requirement R4 (R6 in IRO-002-5) has been added to address NOPR paragraphs 96 and 97:

“…As we explain above, the reliability coordinator’s obligation to monitor SOLs is important to reliability because a SOL can evolve into an IROL during deteriorating system conditions, and for potential system conditions such as this, the reliability coordinator’s monitoring of SOLs provides a necessary backup function to the transmission operator….”     

Consideration should be made to update standards language if the intent is unclear especially if it is to meet a regulatory directive.

Recommend the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NOPR) docket number be provided to further clarify the phrase “is in response to NOPR paragraph 64.”

 

SRC 2020, Segment(s) 2, 1, 3, 12/18/2019

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faranak sarbaz, Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, 1, 12/18/2019

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In the new Techncal Rationale document for IRO-002-5, there is a reference to moving the text boxes—E.G. “During development of IRO‐002‐5, text boxes are embedded within the standard to explain the rationale for various parts of the standard. Upon Board adoption of IRO‐002‐5, the text from the rationale text boxes will be moved to this section.“ In other new Technical Rationale documents this sentence has been removed from the standard and not carried over to new Technical Rationale document.  Texas RE recommends being consistent in the approach to redlining and moving information to a new template.

Rachel Coyne, Texas Reliability Entity, Inc., 10, 12/18/2019

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CAISO agrees with comments submitted by the ISO/RTO Counsel (IRC) Standards Review Committee.

Jamie Johnson, California ISO, 2, 12/18/2019

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Hot Answers

NO. See response to Question 1.

Marty Hostler, Northern California Power Agency, 5, 12/18/2019

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Glenn Barry, Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, 5, 12/18/2019

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Other Answers

2-7 See Response to Question 1.

Dennis Sismaet, Northern California Power Agency, 6, 11/5/2019

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We see no value in the GTB section, and are not sure how a separate Technical Rationale document would be used during enforcement.  The GTB seems relevant only when the intial standard is up for approval.

Kevin Conway, Public Utility District No. 1 of Pend Oreille County, 1, 11/12/2019

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Laura Nelson, IDACORP - Idaho Power Company, 1, 11/25/2019

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Tri-State prefers the Guidance and Technical Basis (GTB) continue to be included in the same process as standards development. Specifically, we would like to see the GTB continue to be developed at the same time as the standard, and posted for comment at the same time as the standard. Without these documents combined, what assurance does industry have that they will be developed in tandem and posted for industry comment in tandem? The primary reason is to allow entities to comment on the GTB during the drafting of the standard. For example, the Virtualization project has extensive Technical Rationale which Tri-State has used as a basis for understanding the changes and for making comments on the standards under development.

Kjersti Drott, On Behalf of: Tri-State G and T Association, Inc., , Segments 1, 3, 5

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LaTroy Brumfield, On Behalf of: American Transmission Company, LLC, , Segments 1

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None

Aaron Cavanaugh, On Behalf of: Bonneville Power Administration, WECC, Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

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The GTB sections within the Standards provide background information and context for the Requirements and Measures, often helping interpret what is found in the Standards. Removal of this section results in less structure with interpretation of the Standards. ISO-NE would prefer that the GTB section remain in the Standard but if the GTB section is to be ultimately transitioned to a separate Technical Rationale document, it is requested that hyperlink references be provided within the Standard and the applicable Technical Rationale documents in order to maintain continuity

Michael Courchesne, On Behalf of: Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2

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Reclamation recommends the GTB sections be contained in the same document as the standard. All documentation and guidance pertaining to each standard should be contained in the same document as the standard to facilitate ease of reference.

Richard Jackson, U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, 1, 12/6/2019

- 0 - 0

N/A

Carl Pineault, Hydro-Qu?bec Production, 5, 12/9/2019

- 0 - 0

BHE believes, in the interest of simplicity, leave the GTB attached with the NERC Standard as a point of reference when trying to understand the applicability and rationale behind some of the requirements.  GTB section stays with the Standard so that if any white paper is produced the edits stay with the Standard. This way we do not have to look in a different location for any edits that are pertinent to Standard. “One stop shopping.”

Maryanne Darling-Reich, On Behalf of: Black Hills Corporation - MRO, WECC - Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

- 0 - 0

Westar Energy and Kansas City Power & Light support Edison Electric Institute’s response.

Westar-KCPL, Segment(s) 1, 3, 5, 6, 12/18/2018

- 0 - 0

Thomas Breene, On Behalf of: WEC Energy Group, Inc., , Segments 3, 4, 5, 6

- 0 - 0

Jamie Monette, On Behalf of: Allete - Minnesota Power, Inc., , Segments 1

- 0 - 0

RSC, Segment(s) 10, 2, 4, 5, 7, 3, 1, 0, 6, 12/12/2019

- 0 - 0

We prefer to have the technical rationale retained with the standard. Our operators refer to it for help to explain the meaning and intent of the current standard. Keeping the related information with the standard saves additional searching for the information.

Jeanne Kurzynowski, On Behalf of: CMS Energy - Consumers Energy Company - RF - Segments 1, 3, 4, 5

- 0 - 0

Instead of creating a new and separate “Technical Rationale” document, we suggest that the version history table simply point back to the project that generated these notations.  For IRO-006-EAST-2, the version history “action” could read: “The ‘Supplemental Material / Rationale’ section of the standard was removed.  The information removed is available in the final draft version of IRO-006-EAST-2 (Project 2015-06).  Because no changes were made to the mandatory and enforceable elements of the standard, the version number remains unchanged.”

Dennis Chastain, On Behalf of: Tennessee Valley Authority - SERC - Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

- 0 - 0

Both Rationale for recommendation to retire Requirement R1 and Rationale for recommendation to retire Requirement R3 are longer necessary as previous version of R1 and R3 were retired. Rationale for revisions to new Requirement R1 (previously Requirement R2) and Rationale for Revisions to new Requirement R2 (previously Requirement R4) are also no longer necessary as both do not provide any technical or compliance related information. Therefore, the whole GTB section needs to be removed from the Standard instead of transferring to a Technical Rationale.

OKGE, Segment(s) 6, 1, 3, 5, 4/10/2019

- 0 - 0

Duke Energy does not have comments.

 

VACAR South comments follow:

a)      Refer to comments in question #1.

b)      All language from the GTB section in the standard should be transitioned to the new (separate) Technical Rationale document as recommended in the comment (b) listed in question #1.

Duke Energy, Segment(s) 1, 5, 6, 4/11/2019

- 0 - 0

On behalf of Exelon, Segments: 1, 3, 5, 6

Exelon supports the removal of the GTB from IRO-006-EAST-2. 

As suggested by EEI, Exelon also recommends adding the following information to the Technical Rationale being developed: 

  • Project Number under which the Technical Rationale was developed
  • Date the Technical Rational was originally developed
  • Hyperlink to the Project Page
  • Date the Reliability Standard was approved
  • Hyperlink to the Standard

Daniel Gacek, Exelon, 1, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

Constantin Chitescu, Ontario Power Generation Inc., 5, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

EEI supports the removal of the GTB from IRO-006-EAST-2. EEI also recommends adding the following information to the Technical Rationale being developed:

  • Project Number under which the Technical Rationale was developed
  • Date the Technical Rational was originally developed
  • Hyperlink to the Project Page
  • Date the Reliability Standard was approved
  • Hyperlink to the Standard

Mark Gray, On Behalf of: Edison Electric Institute, NA - Not Applicable, Segments NA - Not Applicable

- 0 - 0

Recommend acronyms, e.g. FYRT, be defined the first time they are used in the document.

SRC 2020, Segment(s) 2, 1, 3, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

faranak sarbaz, Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, 1, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

Texas RE does not have comments on this question.

Rachel Coyne, Texas Reliability Entity, Inc., 10, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

CAISO agrees with comments submitted by the ISO/RTO Counsel (IRC) Standards Review Committee.

Jamie Johnson, California ISO, 2, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

Hot Answers

NO. See response to Question 1.

Marty Hostler, Northern California Power Agency, 5, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

Glenn Barry, Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, 5, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

Other Answers

2-7 See Response to Question 1.

Dennis Sismaet, Northern California Power Agency, 6, 11/5/2019

- 0 - 0

We see no value in the GTB section, and are not sure how a separate Technical Rationale document would be used during enforcement.  The GTB seems relevant only when the intial standard is up for approval.

Kevin Conway, Public Utility District No. 1 of Pend Oreille County, 1, 11/12/2019

- 0 - 0

Laura Nelson, IDACORP - Idaho Power Company, 1, 11/25/2019

- 0 - 0

Tri-State prefers the Guidance and Technical Basis (GTB) continue to be included in the same process as standards development. Specifically, we would like to see the GTB continue to be developed at the same time as the standard, and posted for comment at the same time as the standard. Without these documents combined, what assurance does industry have that they will be developed in tandem and posted for industry comment in tandem? The primary reason is to allow entities to comment on the GTB during the drafting of the standard. For example, the Virtualization project has extensive Technical Rationale which Tri-State has used as a basis for understanding the changes and for making comments on the standards under development.

Kjersti Drott, On Behalf of: Tri-State G and T Association, Inc., , Segments 1, 3, 5

- 0 - 0

LaTroy Brumfield, On Behalf of: American Transmission Company, LLC, , Segments 1

- 0 - 0

None

Aaron Cavanaugh, On Behalf of: Bonneville Power Administration, WECC, Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

- 0 - 0

The GTB sections within the Standards provide background information and context for the Requirements and Measures, often helping interpret what is found in the Standards. Removal of this section results in less structure with interpretation of the Standards. ISO-NE would prefer that the GTB section remain in the Standard but if the GTB section is to be ultimately transitioned to a separate Technical Rationale document, it is requested that hyperlink references be provided within the Standard and the applicable Technical Rationale documents in order to maintain continuity

Michael Courchesne, On Behalf of: Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2

- 0 - 0

Reclamation recommends the GTB sections be contained in the same document as the standard. All documentation and guidance pertaining to each standard should be contained in the same document as the standard to facilitate ease of reference.

Richard Jackson, U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, 1, 12/6/2019

- 0 - 0

N/A

Carl Pineault, Hydro-Qu?bec Production, 5, 12/9/2019

- 0 - 0

BHE believes, in the interest of simplicity, leave the GTB attached with the NERC Standard as a point of reference when trying to understand the applicability and rationale behind some of the requirements.  GTB section stays with the Standard so that if any white paper is produced the edits stay with the Standard. This way we do not have to look in a different location for any edits that are pertinent to Standard. “One stop shopping.”

Maryanne Darling-Reich, On Behalf of: Black Hills Corporation - MRO, WECC - Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

- 0 - 0

Westar Energy and Kansas City Power & Light support Edison Electric Institute’s response.

Westar-KCPL, Segment(s) 1, 3, 5, 6, 12/18/2018

- 0 - 0

Thomas Breene, On Behalf of: WEC Energy Group, Inc., , Segments 3, 4, 5, 6

- 0 - 0

Jamie Monette, On Behalf of: Allete - Minnesota Power, Inc., , Segments 1

- 0 - 0

RSC, Segment(s) 10, 2, 4, 5, 7, 3, 1, 0, 6, 12/12/2019

- 0 - 0

We prefer to have the technical rationale retained with the standard. Our operators refer to it for help to explain the meaning and intent of the current standard. Keeping the related information with the standard saves additional searching for the information.

Jeanne Kurzynowski, On Behalf of: CMS Energy - Consumers Energy Company - RF - Segments 1, 3, 4, 5

- 0 - 0

Instead of creating a new and separate “Technical Rationale” document, we suggest that the version history table simply point back to the project that generated these notations.  For IRO-008-2, the version history “action” could read: “The ‘Guidelines and Technical Basis’ section of the standard was removed.  The information removed is available in the final draft version of IRO-008-2 (Project 2014-03).  Because no changes were made to the mandatory and enforceable elements of the standard, the version number remains unchanged.”

Dennis Chastain, On Behalf of: Tennessee Valley Authority - SERC - Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

- 0 - 0

Rationales are no longer necessary and should be removed from the Standard instead of transferring to a Technical Rationale document.  

OKGE, Segment(s) 6, 1, 3, 5, 4/10/2019

- 0 - 0

Duke Energy does not have comments.

 

VACAR South comments follow:

a)      Refer to comments in question #1.

b)      All language from the GTB section in the standard should be transitioned to the new (separate) Technical Rationale document as recommended in the comment (b) listed in question #1.  The second paragraph from the redline that the GTB Review Team included with the posting was not included in the new (separate) Technical Rationale document.

Duke Energy, Segment(s) 1, 5, 6, 4/11/2019

- 0 - 0

On behalf of Exelon, Segments: 1, 3, 5, 6

Exelon supports the removal of the GTB from IRO-008-2. 

As suggested by EEI, Exelon also recommends adding the following information to the Technical Rationale being developed: 

  • Project Number under which the Technical Rationale was developed
  • Date the Technical Rational was originally developed
  • Hyperlink to the Project Page
  • Date the Reliability Standard was approved
  • Hyperlink to the Standard

Daniel Gacek, Exelon, 1, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

Constantin Chitescu, Ontario Power Generation Inc., 5, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

EEI supports the removal of the GTB from IRO-008-2. EEI also recommends adding the following information to the Technical Rationale being developed:  

  • Project Number under which the Technical Rationale was developed
  • Date the Technical Rational was originally developed
  • Hyperlink to the Project Page
  • Date the Reliability Standard was approved
  • Hyperlink to the Standard

Mark Gray, On Behalf of: Edison Electric Institute, NA - Not Applicable, Segments NA - Not Applicable

- 0 - 0

As was stated in the response to No. 1 for IRO-001-4, in the instance of IRO-008-2, the standard was updated to reflect the intent of a FERC Directive.  Consider updating IRO-001-4 so that the explanation in the Technical Rationale can be retired.

Recommend the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NOPR) docket number be provided to further clarify the phrase “in response to NOPR paragraph 96.” In addition, recommend acronyms, e.g. IERP, be defined the first time they are used in the document.

 

SRC 2020, Segment(s) 2, 1, 3, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

faranak sarbaz, Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, 1, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

Texas RE recommends including the paragraph starting with phrase “Changes made to …” to be consistent with other Standards within this project (e.g. IRO-010 has a “Rationale for Definitions” that was transferred.  The original IRO-008-2 was inconsistent and did not include the header “Rationale for Definitions” but the language is identical to the IRO-010 “Rationale for Definitions” section.)

Rachel Coyne, Texas Reliability Entity, Inc., 10, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

CAISO agrees with comments submitted by the ISO/RTO Counsel (IRC) Standards Review Committee.

Jamie Johnson, California ISO, 2, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

Hot Answers

NO. See response to Question 1.

Marty Hostler, Northern California Power Agency, 5, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

Glenn Barry, Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, 5, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

Other Answers

2-7 See Response to Question 1.

Dennis Sismaet, Northern California Power Agency, 6, 11/5/2019

- 0 - 0

We see no value in the GTB section, and are not sure how a separate Technical Rationale document would be used during enforcement.  The GTB seems relevant only when the intial standard is up for approval.

Kevin Conway, Public Utility District No. 1 of Pend Oreille County, 1, 11/12/2019

- 0 - 0

Laura Nelson, IDACORP - Idaho Power Company, 1, 11/25/2019

- 0 - 0

Tri-State prefers the Guidance and Technical Basis (GTB) continue to be included in the same process as standards development. Specifically, we would like to see the GTB continue to be developed at the same time as the standard, and posted for comment at the same time as the standard. Without these documents combined, what assurance does industry have that they will be developed in tandem and posted for industry comment in tandem? The primary reason is to allow entities to comment on the GTB during the drafting of the standard. For example, the Virtualization project has extensive Technical Rationale which Tri-State has used as a basis for understanding the changes and for making comments on the standards under development.

Kjersti Drott, On Behalf of: Tri-State G and T Association, Inc., , Segments 1, 3, 5

- 0 - 0

LaTroy Brumfield, On Behalf of: American Transmission Company, LLC, , Segments 1

- 0 - 0

None

Aaron Cavanaugh, On Behalf of: Bonneville Power Administration, WECC, Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

- 0 - 0

The GTB sections within the Standards provide background information and context for the Requirements and Measures, often helping interpret what is found in the Standards. Removal of this section results in less structure with interpretation of the Standards. ISO-NE would prefer that the GTB section remain in the Standard but if the GTB section is to be ultimately transitioned to a separate Technical Rationale document, it is requested that hyperlink references be provided within the Standard and the applicable Technical Rationale documents in order to maintain continuity

Michael Courchesne, On Behalf of: Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2

- 0 - 0

Reclamation recommends the GTB sections be contained in the same document as the standard. All documentation and guidance pertaining to each standard should be contained in the same document as the standard to facilitate ease of reference.

Richard Jackson, U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, 1, 12/6/2019

- 0 - 0

N/A

Carl Pineault, Hydro-Qu?bec Production, 5, 12/9/2019

- 0 - 0

BHE believes, in the interest of simplicity, leave the GTB attached with the NERC Standard as a point of reference when trying to understand the applicability and rationale behind some of the requirements.  GTB section stays with the Standard so that if any white paper is produced the edits stay with the Standard. This way we do not have to look in a different location for any edits that are pertinent to Standard. “One stop shopping.”

Maryanne Darling-Reich, On Behalf of: Black Hills Corporation - MRO, WECC - Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

- 0 - 0

Westar Energy and Kansas City Power & Light support Edison Electric Institute’s response.

Westar-KCPL, Segment(s) 1, 3, 5, 6, 12/18/2018

- 0 - 0

Thomas Breene, On Behalf of: WEC Energy Group, Inc., , Segments 3, 4, 5, 6

- 0 - 0

Jamie Monette, On Behalf of: Allete - Minnesota Power, Inc., , Segments 1

- 0 - 0

RSC, Segment(s) 10, 2, 4, 5, 7, 3, 1, 0, 6, 12/12/2019

- 0 - 0

We prefer to have the technical rationale retained with the standard. Our operators refer to it for help to explain the meaning and intent of the current standard. Keeping the related information with the standard saves additional searching for the information.

Jeanne Kurzynowski, On Behalf of: CMS Energy - Consumers Energy Company - RF - Segments 1, 3, 4, 5

- 0 - 0

Instead of creating a new and separate “Technical Rationale” document, we suggest that the version history table simply point back to the project that generated these notations.  For IRO-009-2, the version history “action” could read: “The ‘Supplemental Material / Rationale’ section of the standard was removed.  The information removed is available in the final draft version of IRO-009-2 (Project 2015-06).  Because no changes were made to the mandatory and enforceable elements of the standard, the version number remains unchanged.”

Dennis Chastain, On Behalf of: Tennessee Valley Authority - SERC - Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

- 0 - 0

Rationales are no longer necessary as they do not provide any technical or compliance related information.  Therefore, the whole GTB section needs to be removed from the Standard instead of transferring to a Technical Rationale. 

OKGE, Segment(s) 6, 1, 3, 5, 4/10/2019

- 0 - 0

Duke Energy does not have comments.

 

VACAR South comments follow:

a)         Refer to comments in question #1.

Duke Energy, Segment(s) 1, 5, 6, 4/11/2019

- 0 - 0

On behalf of Exelon, Segments: 1, 3, 5, 6

Exelon supports the removal of the GTB from IRO-009-2. 

As suggested by EEI, Exelon also recommends adding the following information to the Technical Rationale being developed: 

  • Project Number under which the Technical Rationale was developed
  • Date the Technical Rational was originally developed
  • Hyperlink to the Project Page
  • Date the Reliability Standard was approved
  • Hyperlink to the Standard

Daniel Gacek, Exelon, 1, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

Constantin Chitescu, Ontario Power Generation Inc., 5, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

EEI supports the removal of the GTB from IRO-009-2. EEI also recommends adding the following information to the Technical Rationale being developed:  

  • Project Number under which the Technical Rationale was developed
  • Date the Technical Rational was originally developed
  • Hyperlink to the Project Page
  • Date the Reliability Standard was approved
  • Hyperlink to the Standard

Mark Gray, On Behalf of: Edison Electric Institute, NA - Not Applicable, Segments NA - Not Applicable

- 0 - 0

As was stated in the response to No. 1 for IRO-001-4, in the instance of IRO-008-2, the standard was updated to reflect the intent of a FERC Directive.  Consider updating IRO-001-4 so that the explanation in the Technical Rationale can be retired.

Recommend the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NOPR) docket number be provided to further clarify the phrase “in response to NOPR paragraph 96.” In addition, recommend acronyms, e.g. IERP, be defined the first time they are used in the document.

 

SRC 2020, Segment(s) 2, 1, 3, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

faranak sarbaz, Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, 1, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

Texas RE does not have comments on this question.

Rachel Coyne, Texas Reliability Entity, Inc., 10, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

CAISO agrees with comments submitted by the ISO/RTO Counsel (IRC) Standards Review Committee.

Jamie Johnson, California ISO, 2, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

Q:

6. IRO-010-2[1]: Do you agree with the recommendation to transition the GTB section of this standard to a separate Technical Rationale document? If no, please provide the basis for your disagreement.

[1] Project 2017-07 Standards Alignment with Registration currently has version IRO-010-3 posted for comment and ballot. Version 3 removes the Load Serving Entity from the standard which does not affect the Technical Rationale. If version 3 is approved by industry, NERC staff will make the corresponding changes to IRO-010 and its corresponding Technical Rationale document.

Hot Answers

NO. See response to Question 1.

Marty Hostler, Northern California Power Agency, 5, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

LDWP does not agree with this recommendation for two reasons. First, as these changes would be limited to a subset of the Standards, it would create a consistency issue across the Standards. Second, it would add to the number of separate documents to track for each Standard, such as the Implementation Plan.

Glenn Barry, Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, 5, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

Other Answers

2-7 See Response to Question 1.

Dennis Sismaet, Northern California Power Agency, 6, 11/5/2019

- 0 - 0

We see no value in the GTB section, and are not sure how a separate Technical Rationale document would be used during enforcement.  The GTB seems relevant only when the intial standard is up for approval.

Kevin Conway, Public Utility District No. 1 of Pend Oreille County, 1, 11/12/2019

- 0 - 0

Laura Nelson, IDACORP - Idaho Power Company, 1, 11/25/2019

- 0 - 0

Tri-State prefers the Guidance and Technical Basis (GTB) continue to be included in the same process as standards development. Specifically, we would like to see the GTB continue to be developed at the same time as the standard, and posted for comment at the same time as the standard. Without these documents combined, what assurance does industry have that they will be developed in tandem and posted for industry comment in tandem? The primary reason is to allow entities to comment on the GTB during the drafting of the standard. For example, the Virtualization project has extensive Technical Rationale which Tri-State has used as a basis for understanding the changes and for making comments on the standards under development.

Kjersti Drott, On Behalf of: Tri-State G and T Association, Inc., , Segments 1, 3, 5

- 0 - 0

LaTroy Brumfield, On Behalf of: American Transmission Company, LLC, , Segments 1

- 0 - 0

None

Aaron Cavanaugh, On Behalf of: Bonneville Power Administration, WECC, Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

- 0 - 0

The GTB sections within the Standards provide background information and context for the Requirements and Measures, often helping interpret what is found in the Standards. Removal of this section results in less structure with interpretation of the Standards. ISO-NE would prefer that the GTB section remain in the Standard but if the GTB section is to be ultimately transitioned to a separate Technical Rationale document, it is requested that hyperlink references be provided within the Standard and the applicable Technical Rationale documents in order to maintain continuity

Michael Courchesne, On Behalf of: Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2

- 0 - 0

Reclamation recommends the GTB sections be contained in the same document as the standard. All documentation and guidance pertaining to each standard should be contained in the same document as the standard to facilitate ease of reference.

Richard Jackson, U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, 1, 12/6/2019

- 0 - 0

Carl Pineault, Hydro-Qu?bec Production, 5, 12/9/2019

- 0 - 0

BHE believes, in the interest of simplicity, leave the GTB attached with the NERC Standard as a point of reference when trying to understand the applicability and rationale behind some of the requirements.  GTB section stays with the Standard so that if any white paper is produced the edits stay with the Standard. This way we do not have to look in a different location for any edits that are pertinent to Standard. “One stop shopping.”

Maryanne Darling-Reich, On Behalf of: Black Hills Corporation - MRO, WECC - Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

- 0 - 0

Westar Energy and Kansas City Power & Light support Edison Electric Institute’s response.

Westar-KCPL, Segment(s) 1, 3, 5, 6, 12/18/2018

- 0 - 0

Thomas Breene, On Behalf of: WEC Energy Group, Inc., , Segments 3, 4, 5, 6

- 0 - 0

Jamie Monette, On Behalf of: Allete - Minnesota Power, Inc., , Segments 1

- 0 - 0

RSC, Segment(s) 10, 2, 4, 5, 7, 3, 1, 0, 6, 12/12/2019

- 0 - 0

We prefer to have the technical rationale retained with the standard. Our operators refer to it for help to explain the meaning and intent of the current standard. Keeping the related information with the standard saves additional searching for the information.

Jeanne Kurzynowski, On Behalf of: CMS Energy - Consumers Energy Company - RF - Segments 1, 3, 4, 5

- 0 - 0

Instead of creating a new and separate “Technical Rationale” document, we suggest that the version history table simply point back to the project that generated these notations.  For IRO-010-2, the version history “action” could read: “The ‘Guidelines and Technical Basis’ section of the standard was removed.  The information removed is available in the final draft version of IRO-010-2 (Project 2014-03).  Because no changes were made to the mandatory and enforceable elements of the standard, the version number remains unchanged.”

Dennis Chastain, On Behalf of: Tennessee Valley Authority - SERC - Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

- 0 - 0

OKGE, Segment(s) 6, 1, 3, 5, 4/10/2019

- 0 - 0

Duke Energy does not have comments.

 

VACAR South comments follow:

a)         Refer to comments in question #1.

Duke Energy, Segment(s) 1, 5, 6, 4/11/2019

- 0 - 0

On behalf of Exelon, Segments: 1, 3, 5, 6

Exelon supports the removal of the GTB from IRO-010-2. 

As suggested by EEI, Exelon also recommends adding the following information to the Technical Rationale being developed: 

  • Project Number under which the Technical Rationale was developed
  • Date the Technical Rational was originally developed
  • Hyperlink to the Project Page
  • Date the Reliability Standard was approved
  • Hyperlink to the Standard

Daniel Gacek, Exelon, 1, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

Constantin Chitescu, Ontario Power Generation Inc., 5, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

EEI supports the removal of the GTB from IRO-010-2. EEI also recommends adding the following information to the Technical Rationale being developed:  

  • Project Number under which the Technical Rationale was developed
  • Date the Technical Rational was originally developed
  • Hyperlink to the Project Page
  • Date the Reliability Standard was approved
  • Hyperlink to the Standard

Mark Gray, On Behalf of: Edison Electric Institute, NA - Not Applicable, Segments NA - Not Applicable

- 0 - 0

Recommend acronyms, e.g. FYRT, be defined the first time they are used in the document and that the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NOPR) docket number be provided to further clarify phrases where references are made to NOPRs.

SRC 2020, Segment(s) 2, 1, 3, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

LDWP does not agree with this recommendation for two reasons. First, as these changes would be limited to a subset of the Standards, it would create a consistency issue across the Standards. Second, it would add to the number of separate documents to track for each Standard, such as the Implementation Plan.

faranak sarbaz, Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, 1, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

Texas RE does not have comments on this question.

Rachel Coyne, Texas Reliability Entity, Inc., 10, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

CAISO agrees with comments submitted by the ISO/RTO Counsel (IRC) Standards Review Committee.

Jamie Johnson, California ISO, 2, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

Hot Answers

NO. See response to Question 1.

Marty Hostler, Northern California Power Agency, 5, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

Glenn Barry, Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, 5, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

Other Answers

2-7 See Response to Question 1.

Dennis Sismaet, Northern California Power Agency, 6, 11/5/2019

- 0 - 0

We see no value in the GTB section, and are not sure how a separate Technical Rationale document would be used during enforcement.  The GTB seems relevant only when the intial standard is up for approval.

Kevin Conway, Public Utility District No. 1 of Pend Oreille County, 1, 11/12/2019

- 0 - 0

Laura Nelson, IDACORP - Idaho Power Company, 1, 11/25/2019

- 0 - 0

Tri-State prefers the Guidance and Technical Basis (GTB) continue to be included in the same process as standards development. Specifically, we would like to see the GTB continue to be developed at the same time as the standard, and posted for comment at the same time as the standard. Without these documents combined, what assurance does industry have that they will be developed in tandem and posted for industry comment in tandem? The primary reason is to allow entities to comment on the GTB during the drafting of the standard. For example, the Virtualization project has extensive Technical Rationale which Tri-State has used as a basis for understanding the changes and for making comments on the standards under development.

Kjersti Drott, On Behalf of: Tri-State G and T Association, Inc., , Segments 1, 3, 5

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LaTroy Brumfield, On Behalf of: American Transmission Company, LLC, , Segments 1

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None

Aaron Cavanaugh, On Behalf of: Bonneville Power Administration, WECC, Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

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The GTB sections within the Standards provide background information and context for the Requirements and Measures, often helping interpret what is found in the Standards. Removal of this section results in less structure with interpretation of the Standards. ISO-NE would prefer that the GTB section remain in the Standard but if the GTB section is to be ultimately transitioned to a separate Technical Rationale document, it is requested that hyperlink references be provided within the Standard and the applicable Technical Rationale documents in order to maintain continuity

Michael Courchesne, On Behalf of: Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2

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Reclamation recommends the GTB sections be contained in the same document as the standard. All documentation and guidance pertaining to each standard should be contained in the same document as the standard to facilitate ease of reference.

Richard Jackson, U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, 1, 12/6/2019

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N/A

Carl Pineault, Hydro-Qu?bec Production, 5, 12/9/2019

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BHE believes, in the interest of simplicity, leave the GTB attached with the NERC Standard as a point of reference when trying to understand the applicability and rationale behind some of the requirements.  GTB section stays with the Standard so that if any white paper is produced the edits stay with the Standard. This way we do not have to look in a different location for any edits that are pertinent to Standard. “One stop shopping.”

Maryanne Darling-Reich, On Behalf of: Black Hills Corporation - MRO, WECC - Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

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Westar Energy and Kansas City Power & Light support Edison Electric Institute’s response.

Westar-KCPL, Segment(s) 1, 3, 5, 6, 12/18/2018

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Thomas Breene, On Behalf of: WEC Energy Group, Inc., , Segments 3, 4, 5, 6

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Jamie Monette, On Behalf of: Allete - Minnesota Power, Inc., , Segments 1

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RSC, Segment(s) 10, 2, 4, 5, 7, 3, 1, 0, 6, 12/12/2019

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We prefer to have the technical rationale retained with the standard. Our operators refer to it for help to explain the meaning and intent of the current standard. Keeping the related information with the standard saves additional searching for the information.

Jeanne Kurzynowski, On Behalf of: CMS Energy - Consumers Energy Company - RF - Segments 1, 3, 4, 5

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Instead of creating a new and separate “Technical Rationale” document, we suggest that the version history table simply point back to the project that generated these notations.  For IRO-014-3, the version history “action” could read: “The ‘Guidelines and Technical Basis’ section of the standard was removed.  The information removed is available in the final draft version of IRO-014-3 (Project 2014-03).  Because no changes were made to the mandatory and enforceable elements of the standard, the version number remains unchanged.”

Dennis Chastain, On Behalf of: Tennessee Valley Authority - SERC - Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

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OKGE, Segment(s) 6, 1, 3, 5, 4/10/2019

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Duke Energy does not have comments.

 

VACAR South comments follow:

a)      Refer to comments in question #1.

b)      All language from the GTB section in the standard should be transitioned to the new (separate) Technical Rationale document as recommended in comment (b) listed in question #1.

Duke Energy, Segment(s) 1, 5, 6, 4/11/2019

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On behalf of Exelon, Segments: 1, 3, 5, 6

Exelon supports the removal of the GTB from IRO-014-3. 

As suggested by EEI, Exelon also recommends adding the following information to the Technical Rationale being developed: 

  • Project Number under which the Technical Rationale was developed
  • Date the Technical Rational was originally developed
  • Hyperlink to the Project Page
  • Date the Reliability Standard was approved
  • Hyperlink to the Standard

Daniel Gacek, Exelon, 1, 12/18/2019

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Constantin Chitescu, Ontario Power Generation Inc., 5, 12/18/2019

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EEI supports the removal of the GTB from IRO-014-3. EEI also recommends adding the following information to the Technical Rationale being developed:  

  • Project Number under which the Technical Rationale was developed
  • Date the Technical Rational was originally developed
  • Hyperlink to the Project Page
  • Date the Reliability Standard was approved
  • Hyperlink to the Standard

Mark Gray, On Behalf of: Edison Electric Institute, NA - Not Applicable, Segments NA - Not Applicable

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SRC 2020, Segment(s) 2, 1, 3, 12/18/2019

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faranak sarbaz, Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, 1, 12/18/2019

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Texas RE does not have comments on this question.

Rachel Coyne, Texas Reliability Entity, Inc., 10, 12/18/2019

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CAISO agrees with comments submitted by the ISO/RTO Counsel (IRC) Standards Review Committee.

Jamie Johnson, California ISO, 2, 12/18/2019

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Hot Answers

NO. See response to Question 1.

Marty Hostler, Northern California Power Agency, 5, 12/18/2019

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LDWP does not agree with this recommendation for two reasons. First, as these changes would be limited to a subset of the Standards, it would create a consistency issue across the Standards. Second, it would add to the number of separate documents to track for each Standard, such as the Implementation Plan.

Glenn Barry, Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, 5, 12/18/2019

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Other Answers

2-7 See Response to Question 1.

Dennis Sismaet, Northern California Power Agency, 6, 11/5/2019

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We see no value in the GTB section, and are not sure how a separate Technical Rationale document would be used during enforcement.  The GTB seems relevant only when the intial standard is up for approval.

Kevin Conway, Public Utility District No. 1 of Pend Oreille County, 1, 11/12/2019

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Laura Nelson, IDACORP - Idaho Power Company, 1, 11/25/2019

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Tri-State prefers the Guidance and Technical Basis (GTB) continue to be included in the same process as standards development. Specifically, we would like to see the GTB continue to be developed at the same time as the standard, and posted for comment at the same time as the standard. Without these documents combined, what assurance does industry have that they will be developed in tandem and posted for industry comment in tandem? The primary reason is to allow entities to comment on the GTB during the drafting of the standard. For example, the Virtualization project has extensive Technical Rationale which Tri-State has used as a basis for understanding the changes and for making comments on the standards under development.

Kjersti Drott, On Behalf of: Tri-State G and T Association, Inc., , Segments 1, 3, 5

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LaTroy Brumfield, On Behalf of: American Transmission Company, LLC, , Segments 1

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None

Aaron Cavanaugh, On Behalf of: Bonneville Power Administration, WECC, Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

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The GTB sections within the Standards provide background information and context for the Requirements and Measures, often helping interpret what is found in the Standards. Removal of this section results in less structure with interpretation of the Standards. ISO-NE would prefer that the GTB section remain in the Standard but if the GTB section is to be ultimately transitioned to a separate Technical Rationale document, it is requested that hyperlink references be provided within the Standard and the applicable Technical Rationale documents in order to maintain continuity

Michael Courchesne, On Behalf of: Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2

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Reclamation recommends the GTB sections be contained in the same document as the standard. All documentation and guidance pertaining to each standard should be contained in the same document as the standard to facilitate ease of reference.

Richard Jackson, U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, 1, 12/6/2019

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N/A

Carl Pineault, Hydro-Qu?bec Production, 5, 12/9/2019

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BHE believes, in the interest of simplicity, leave the GTB attached with the NERC Standard as a point of reference when trying to understand the applicability and rationale behind some of the requirements.  GTB section stays with the Standard so that if any white paper is produced the edits stay with the Standard. This way we do not have to look in a different location for any edits that are pertinent to Standard. “One stop shopping.”

Maryanne Darling-Reich, On Behalf of: Black Hills Corporation - MRO, WECC - Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

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Westar Energy and Kansas City Power & Light support Edison Electric Institute’s response.

Westar-KCPL, Segment(s) 1, 3, 5, 6, 12/18/2018

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Thomas Breene, On Behalf of: WEC Energy Group, Inc., , Segments 3, 4, 5, 6

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Jamie Monette, On Behalf of: Allete - Minnesota Power, Inc., , Segments 1

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RSC, Segment(s) 10, 2, 4, 5, 7, 3, 1, 0, 6, 12/12/2019

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We prefer to have the technical rationale retained with the standard. Our operators refer to it for help to explain the meaning and intent of the current standard. Keeping the related information with the standard saves additional searching for the information.

Jeanne Kurzynowski, On Behalf of: CMS Energy - Consumers Energy Company - RF - Segments 1, 3, 4, 5

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Instead of creating a new and separate “Technical Rationale” document, we suggest that the version history table simply point back to the project that generated these notations.  For IRO-017-1, the version history “action” could read: “The ‘Guidelines and Technical Basis’ section of the standard was removed.  The information removed is available in the final draft version of IRO-017-1 (Project 2014-03).  Because no changes were made to the mandatory and enforceable elements of the standard, the version number remains unchanged.”

Dennis Chastain, On Behalf of: Tennessee Valley Authority - SERC - Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

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OKGE, Segment(s) 6, 1, 3, 5, 4/10/2019

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Duke Energy does not have comments.

 

VACAR South comments follow:

a)      Refer to comments in question #1.

b)      All language from the GTB section in the standard should be transitioned to the new (separate) Technical Rationale document as recommended in comment (b) listed in question #1.

Duke Energy, Segment(s) 1, 5, 6, 4/11/2019

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On behalf of Exelon, Segments: 1, 3, 5, 6

Exelon supports the removal of the GTB from IRO-017-1. 

As suggested by EEI, Exelon also recommends adding the following information to the Technical Rationale being developed: 

  • Project Number under which the Technical Rationale was developed
  • Date the Technical Rational was originally developed
  • Hyperlink to the Project Page
  • Date the Reliability Standard was approved
  • Hyperlink to the Standard

Daniel Gacek, Exelon, 1, 12/18/2019

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Constantin Chitescu, Ontario Power Generation Inc., 5, 12/18/2019

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EEI supports the removal of the GTB from IRO-017-1. EEI also recommends adding the following information to the Technical Rationale being developed:  

  • Project Number under which the Technical Rationale was developed
  • Date the Technical Rational was originally developed
  • Hyperlink to the Project Page
  • Date the Reliability Standard was approved
  • Hyperlink to the Standard

Mark Gray, On Behalf of: Edison Electric Institute, NA - Not Applicable, Segments NA - Not Applicable

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This last statement in this rationale for R4 has an element of clarification that can be applied for compliance and audit purposes and may need to be included in a compliance guidance document:

Rationale for R4: The SDT has re‐written Requirement R4 to show that the process starts with the Planning Assessments created by the Planning Coordinator and Transmission Planner and then those Planning Assessments are reviewed and reconciled as needed with the Reliability Coordinator. This is in response to comments in paragraph 90 of the FERC NOPR about directly involving the Reliability Coordinator in the planning process for periods beyond the present one year outreach as well as recommendations in the IERP. The re‐write should not be construed as relieving the Reliability Coordinator of responsibilities in this area but simply as a reflection of how the process actually starts.

Recommend acronyms, e.g. SDT, be defined the first time they are used in the document.

Recommend outdated and inaccurate language in the Technical Rationale be considered for deletion. For example, paragraph 2 under “Rationale for R4” states:

“In the future, the SDT believes that such coordination should take place in the TPL standards and to support that position, the SDT has created an item in a draft SAR for TPL‐001‐4 that would revise Requirement R8 to make the Reliability Coordinator an explicit party in the review process described there.”

As TPL-001-4 is now in force and as the Reliability Coordinator function is not explicitly mentioned anywhere in TPL-001-4, Requirement R8 or otherwise, recommend this text be stricken from the Technical Rationale for IRO-017.   

 

SRC 2020, Segment(s) 2, 1, 3, 12/18/2019

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LDWP does not agree with this recommendation for two reasons. First, as these changes would be limited to a subset of the Standards, it would create a consistency issue across the Standards. Second, it would add to the number of separate documents to track for each Standard, such as the Implementation Plan.

faranak sarbaz, Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, 1, 12/18/2019

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Texas RE noticed the reason for development of the standard was not included in the new Technical Rationale document.

Rachel Coyne, Texas Reliability Entity, Inc., 10, 12/18/2019

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CAISO agrees with comments submitted by the ISO/RTO Counsel (IRC) Standards Review Committee.

Jamie Johnson, California ISO, 2, 12/18/2019

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Hot Answers

NO. See response to Question 1.

Marty Hostler, Northern California Power Agency, 5, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

Glenn Barry, Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, 5, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

Other Answers

2-7 See Response to Question 1.

Dennis Sismaet, Northern California Power Agency, 6, 11/5/2019

- 0 - 0

We see no value in the GTB section, and are not sure how a separate Technical Rationale document would be used during enforcement.  The GTB seems relevant only when the intial standard is up for approval.

Kevin Conway, Public Utility District No. 1 of Pend Oreille County, 1, 11/12/2019

- 0 - 0

Laura Nelson, IDACORP - Idaho Power Company, 1, 11/25/2019

- 0 - 0

Tri-State prefers the Guidance and Technical Basis (GTB) continue to be included in the same process as standards development. Specifically, we would like to see the GTB continue to be developed at the same time as the standard, and posted for comment at the same time as the standard. Without these documents combined, what assurance does industry have that they will be developed in tandem and posted for industry comment in tandem? The primary reason is to allow entities to comment on the GTB during the drafting of the standard. For example, the Virtualization project has extensive Technical Rationale which Tri-State has used as a basis for understanding the changes and for making comments on the standards under development.

Kjersti Drott, On Behalf of: Tri-State G and T Association, Inc., , Segments 1, 3, 5

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ATC supports the comments of EEI.

LaTroy Brumfield, On Behalf of: American Transmission Company, LLC, , Segments 1

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None

Aaron Cavanaugh, On Behalf of: Bonneville Power Administration, WECC, Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

- 0 - 0

The GTB sections within the Standards provide background information and context for the Requirements and Measures, often helping interpret what is found in the Standards. Removal of this section results in less structure with interpretation of the Standards. ISO-NE would prefer that the GTB section remain in the Standard but if the GTB section is to be ultimately transitioned to a separate Technical Rationale document, it is requested that hyperlink references be provided within the Standard and the applicable Technical Rationale documents in order to maintain continuity

Michael Courchesne, On Behalf of: Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2; Michael Puscas, ISO New England, Inc., 2

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Reclamation recommends the GTB sections be contained in the same document as the standard. All documentation and guidance pertaining to each standard should be contained in the same document as the standard to facilitate ease of reference.

Richard Jackson, U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, 1, 12/6/2019

- 0 - 0

N/A

Carl Pineault, Hydro-Qu?bec Production, 5, 12/9/2019

- 0 - 0

BHE believes, in the interest of simplicity, leave the GTB attached with the NERC Standard as a point of reference when trying to understand the applicability and rationale behind some of the requirements.  GTB section stays with the Standard so that if any white paper is produced the edits stay with the Standard. This way we do not have to look in a different location for any edits that are pertinent to Standard. “One stop shopping.”

Maryanne Darling-Reich, On Behalf of: Black Hills Corporation - MRO, WECC - Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

- 0 - 0

Westar Energy and Kansas City Power & Light support Edison Electric Institute’s response.

Westar-KCPL, Segment(s) 1, 3, 5, 6, 12/18/2018

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Thomas Breene, On Behalf of: WEC Energy Group, Inc., , Segments 3, 4, 5, 6

- 0 - 0

Jamie Monette, On Behalf of: Allete - Minnesota Power, Inc., , Segments 1

- 0 - 0

RSC, Segment(s) 10, 2, 4, 5, 7, 3, 1, 0, 6, 12/12/2019

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We prefer to have the technical rationale retained with the standard. Our operators refer to it for help to explain the meaning and intent of the current standard. Keeping the related information with the standard saves additional searching for the information.

Jeanne Kurzynowski, On Behalf of: CMS Energy - Consumers Energy Company - RF - Segments 1, 3, 4, 5

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Instead of creating a new and separate “Technical Rationale” document, we suggest that the version history table simply point back to the project that generated these notations.  For IRO-018-1(i), the version history “action” could read: “The ‘Supplemental Material / Guidelines and Technical Basis’ section of the standard was removed.  The information removed is available in the final draft version of IRO-018-1 (Project 2009-02).  Because no changes were made to the mandatory and enforceable elements of the standard, the version number remains unchanged.”

Dennis Chastain, On Behalf of: Tennessee Valley Authority - SERC - Segments 1, 3, 5, 6

- 0 - 0

OKGE, Segment(s) 6, 1, 3, 5, 4/10/2019

- 0 - 0

Duke Energy does not have comments.

 

VACAR South comments follow:

a)      Refer to comments in question #1.

b)      All language from the GTB section in the standard should be transitioned to the separate Technical Rationale document as recommended in comment (b) listed in question #1.  The first paragraph and the four associated bullets from the GTB section in the standard, that begins with “Real-time monitoring, or monitoring the Bulk Electric System (BES) in Real-time,…..” was not included in the separate Technical Rationale document for IRO-018-1(i).

c)      Additionally, VACS requests the GTB Review Team to include references to the Compliance Guidance document(s) or other references, to the new (separate) Technical Rationale document as recommended in the comments (c. and c.i.) listed in question #1.  For IRO-018-1(i), the Proposed Implementation Guidance document listed below, that should soon be endorsed by the ERO, is applicable.

   i.      TOP-010-1(i) and IRO-018-1(i) RTA Quality (OC)

d)      “Real-Time” in the title of the new (separate) Technical Rationale document needs to be modified to “Real-time”.

Duke Energy, Segment(s) 1, 5, 6, 4/11/2019

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On behalf of Exelon, Segments: 1, 3, 5, 6

Exelon does not support the incomplete transfer of the Guidelines and Technical Basis for IRO-018-1 (i) because the portion of the GTB that describes Real-time Monitoring, or monitoring of the Bulk Electric System (BES) was removed from the standard but not transferred to the Technical Rationale.  It is Exelon’s understanding that only those Reliability Standards where their GTB could be moved to the Technical Rationale, without modification would be part of the initial phase of this project.  However, if the deleted section was removed by mistake and the SDT adds that language to the Technical Rationale, we would be supportive of this change. 

 

In addition to above referenced concerns, as suggested by EEI, Exelon also recommends that the following be added to the Technical Rationale for IRO-018-1(i).

  • Project Number under which the Technical Rationale was developed
  • Date the Technical Rational was originally developed
  • Hyperlink to the Project Page
  • Date the Reliability Standard was approved
  • Hyperlink to the Standard

Daniel Gacek, Exelon, 1, 12/18/2019

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Constantin Chitescu, Ontario Power Generation Inc., 5, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

EEI does not support the incomplete transfer of the Guidelines and Technical Basis for IRO-018-1 (i) because the portion of the GTB that describes Real-time Monitoring, or monitoring of the Bulk Electric System (BES) was removed from the standard but not transferred to the Technical Rationale.  It is EEI’s understanding that only those Reliability Standards where their GTB could be moved to the Technical Rationale, without modification, would be part of the initial phase of this project.  However, if the deleted section was removed by mistake and the SDT adds that language to the Technical Rationale, we would be supportive of this change. 

In addition to above referenced concerns, we also suggest that the following be added to the Technical Rationale for IRO-018-1(i).​

  • Project Number under which the Technical Rationale was developed
  • Date the Technical Rational was originally developed
  • Hyperlink to the Project Page
  • Date the Reliability Standard was approved
  • Hyperlink to the Standard

Mark Gray, On Behalf of: Edison Electric Institute, NA - Not Applicable, Segments NA - Not Applicable

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Unlike the other IRO standards Technical Rationale proposals, the items proposed to be included in the Technical Rationale for this IRO-018-1(i) seem to be fraught with compliance examples and clarifications.  For example:

Requirement R1:  The Operating Process or Operating Procedure must include provisions for indicating the quality of Real‐time data to operating personnel. Descriptions of quality indicators such as display color codes, data quality flags, or other such indicators as found in Real‐time monitoring specifications could be used.

Rationale for Requirement R1: The Operating Process or Operating Procedure must include provisions for indicating the quality of Real‐ time data to operating personnel. Descriptions of quality indicators such as display color codes, data quality flags, or other such indicators as found in Real‐time monitoring specifications could be used.

All of the proposed items for Technical Rationale for IRO-018-1(i) may be more appropriately moved into compliance guidance.

SRC 2020, Segment(s) 2, 1, 3, 12/18/2019

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faranak sarbaz, Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, 1, 12/18/2019

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Texas RE inquires as to why the first section of the Guidelines and Technical Basis regarding Real-time monitoring was not included in the new Technical Rationale document.

Rachel Coyne, Texas Reliability Entity, Inc., 10, 12/18/2019

- 0 - 0

CAISO agrees with comments submitted by the ISO/RTO Counsel (IRC) Standards Review Committee.

Jamie Johnson, California ISO, 2, 12/18/2019

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